Speaker A Looking back, what levels of work did for me was to absolutely clarify the existence of a realm which until then I hadn't properly appreciated and I think people still don't appreciate. And it's a realm which can be investigated, and it is distinct from the physical realm. I actually trained as initially as a neurophysiologist before I graduated in medicine, and I knew about the material realm, and I knew about the physical realm and how one scientifically investigated it. But there was a realm of the self. There was a realm of psychosocial reality. And although I'd done psychoanalysis and had a sense of psychic reality and I'd worked with families and had I'd not really properly grasped the realm and I suddenly, as it were, or slowly realized that it was possible to identify psychosocial entities, things that were recognizable as people interacted, recognized in social institutions and that also existed inside human beings. It was because they existed inside human beings that they could exist outside in the psychosocial world. And the paradigm here was a person's level of capability and then the corresponding level of work in an organization, and hence a stratified organization with appropriate hierarchy and accountability. And that the reality that there was a true pattern that could be appreciated and that could be developed and could be applied. It was very powerful and just it took many, many long time for that really to settle in.
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